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周俊錡的回答是說,柯文哲只認識他,不認識他太太周王美文,可能因此他才會在記錄上寫他的名字。周王美文的講法也是一樣,她說我跟邱佩玲是二、三十年的好姐妹,當時我知道邱佩玲的意思就是想要幫民眾黨募款,所以就從家中拿自己存放的現金二百萬元給邱佩玲。在對照柯文哲市長的公訴,為什麼要記載在工作簿上?因為至少要要知道誰有幫助過我們。所以從以上證人的證述就知道,為什麼姓名欄會記載周俊錡。因為柯文哲只認識周俊錡,邱佩玲告訴柯文哲二百萬元是周俊錡的捐款,實際上是周王美文出的錢。那就是因為邱佩玲有告訴柯文哲是周俊錡或是周俊錡夫人的捐款,所以柯文哲才會因此記帳在工作簿上。所以第二筆周俊錡二百萬元這個是吻合的。 再來我們再來看第三筆,林志郎,數字五百萬元,經理人是吳梅壽。在廉政署的時候有問過林志郎說:「你認不認識柯文哲?」林志郎說他印象中是在軍品飯店的一個飯局。林志郎說他私下不會跟柯文哲聯絡,不過有一次林志郎的學弟吳梅壽,他也是一個腦科的醫生,他有帶林志郎去柯文哲在臺玻大樓的競選總部。但是他說他當時沒有看到柯文哲,接待的是張藝善。那在廉政署的時候有問到林志郎說:「你到底有沒有捐錢給柯文哲?」林志郎是說有,他說一般有開口他就會捐,也有捐給林家龍。那至於捐給柯文哲多少錢,他說他已經忘記了。不過林志郎說他記得是吳梅壽向他勸募,要他捐給柯文哲,他就答應要捐的。所以從這邊我們就知道,為什麼經理人的這個欄位會寫這個吳梅壽。因為從林志郎這邊的講法,就是吳梅壽去向林志郎勸募,他才會捐款。只是說問到說吳梅壽到底是什麼時候跟他勸募,林志郎他的講法就是說應該就是在這個軍品飯店。但是因為這個林志郎他,我這邊有做一個隱匿,就是說他因為生病的關係,這個是疾病的名稱,我想我們這邊就不便把他講出來。他是因為生病的關係,所以他對於這個勸募的細節,他是已經真的不記得了。所以林志郎是說他有捐,但是捐多少錢,他因為生病真的已經沒有辦法記得了。 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周俊錡的回答是說柯文哲只認識我不認識我太太周王美文可能因此他才會記錄上寫我的名字周王美文的講法也是一樣他說我跟邱佩玲是二三十年的好姐妹當時我知道邱佩玲的意思就是想要幫民眾黨募款所以就從家中拿自己存放的現金200萬給邱佩玲在對照到柯文哲市長的公訴為什麼要記載在工作簿上是至少要知道誰有幫助過我們所以從以上證人的證述就知道說為什麼姓明蘭會記載周俊錡因為柯文哲只認識周俊錡邱佩玲告訴柯文哲200萬元是周俊錡的捐款實際上是中澳美文出的錢那就是因為邱佩玲有告訴柯文哲是周俊錡或是周俊錡夫人的捐款所以說柯文哲才會因此記帳在工作簿上所以第二筆周俊錡200萬這個是吻合的再來我們再來看第三筆林志郎數字500萬經理人是無眉獸在廉政署的時候有問過林志郎說你認不認識柯文哲林志郎說他印象中是在軍品飯店的一個飯局林志郎說他私下不會跟柯文哲聯絡不過有一次林志郎的學弟吳梅壽他也是一個腦科的醫生他有帶這個林志郎去柯文哲在台坡大樓的競選總部但是他說他當時沒有看到柯文哲接待的是張藝善那在廉政署的時候有問到林志郎說你到底有沒有捐錢給柯文哲林志郎是說有他說一般有開口他就會捐也有捐給林家龍那至於捐給柯文哲多少錢他說他已經忘記了不過林志郎說他記得是無眉獸向我勸募要我捐給柯文哲我就答應要捐的所以從這邊我們就知道說為什麼經理人的這個欄位會寫這個無眉獸因為從林志郎他這邊的講法就是無眉獸去向林志郎勸募他才會捐款只是說問到說無眉獸到底是什麼時候跟他勸募林志郎他的講法就是說應該就是在這個軍品酒店但是因為這個林志郎他我這邊有做一個隱匿就是說他因為生病的關係這個是疾病的名稱我想我們這邊就不便把他講出來他是因為生病的關係所以他對於這個勸募的細節他是已經真的不記得了所以林志郎是說他有捐但是捐多少錢他因為生病真的已經沒有辦法記得了所以說在這裡這個檢察官有再去問這個無眉獸看這個無眉獸的證詞跟林志郎講的有沒有相符那無眉獸他也是講說有在軍品酒店辦餐會那柯文哲也有前來那習間有足說進卓去向大家表示希望能夠支持那無眉獸說林志郎他就有說我會捐錢支持柯文哲看情形要捐多少等於當下我是跟林志郎說要捐多少就有你那我會捐錢那檢察官有在問無眉獸說這個林志郎在110年間111年間捐款給柯文哲的金額有沒有可能達到幾百萬的數額無眉獸他是林志郎的學弟他說他依照林志郎的財力是有可能的他如果有捐幾百萬給柯文哲我基本上也不會感到意外檢察官有在問無眉獸說林志郎後續有沒有跟你說他到底捐了多少錢支持柯文哲無眉獸說有有他說印象中林志郎的確有說他捐了幾百萬給柯文哲所以這個是一個無眉獸他的證詞他說林志郎有告訴他說他有捐了幾百萬給柯文哲但當然幾百萬這個無眉獸說他不知道但是林志郎講的就是幾百萬那無眉獸有講說這個林志郎已經80幾歲不太可能自己去匯款而且他可能也不想讓其他人知道說他有贊助柯文哲所以可能就直接給現金他說不然會對其他的人失禮這個就是無眉獸的證詞那一旦柯文哲市長他說為什麼要記在工作部上是因為至少要知道誰有幫助過我們所以我們從以上的證詞就可以知道為什麼姓名人
結構化資料
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